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hmmm, not sure what is more laughable here... The fact that some foreigners now call themselvels locals or the fact that despite numerous howls of denials (by people with business interests mainly) and pretending that this stuff rarely happens in Niseko it still simmers naturally back to the surface by itself. And yes, now this behaviour and the incidents that go along with them have moved on to Hakuba as well and are kept under wraps (mostly since it seems one of the car thefts are made it onto this forum).

 

I feel sorry for the business owners who suffer as a result (local or foreigners) from the bad rep. The foreign influx has brought so much to J ski towns, it is a shame those guys have to put-up with that nasty side-effect.

 

Side-note: Mamabear, do you need as a mum (and therefore a role model) to get completly hammered in order to have a good time? Your kids are for sure going to think that it is ok to get plastered on a regular basis.

 

As for DTrain, I am amazed at the self control he is showing when confronting the yobs given his potential to inflict severe harm in retaliation. Sounds like a bona-fide badass, but isn't his presence the clear symptom that there is something wrong going on with this town (not that I wish Dtrain to loose his job)? Sounds like he could easily get another job in haks now anyway...

 

And yes, once again the minority is giving a bad name to those who behave and are respectful of others. But I have to say, whereas other countries would seem to have maybe 5% of idiots, somehow some country well represented on the Japanese slopes seems to have more like 10-15%....and my oh my, when it comes to knuckle-dragging...Those guys are on a completely different level! oii oii oii indeed....

 

I am all for super harsh penalties, but not blindly applied. Human beings are naturally selfish, and unless they see consequences to their actions they will keep on behaving the same way (and not just in N).

 

I am now ready for the wave of schllllllaking from the N crew for daring to make such politically incorrect statements. Bring it on boys!

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I couldn't care less what your views are on Niseko, especially since they are not based on experience. All that needs to be said on the matter has been done so already anyway.

 

I would comment on 2 things though. Firstly what is the issue with some of us considering ourselves locals? Some of us aren't just here on an extended holiday sending money back to the old country for when we return there. Some of us have invested everything we have into our life here in Japan and fully intend on remaining here forever. Why the hell shouldn't we consider ourselves locals? Are you one of these foreigners who has bought into the guest mentality? No matter how long we live here or contribute to this society we will always be guests in this country?

 

Secondly questioning MB as a role model is completely out of line. She sounds like a completely awesome role model to me. The world would definitely be a much better place with more mothers like MB.

 

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Originally Posted By: SerreChe
hmmm, not sure what is more laughable here... The fact that some foreigners now call themselvels locals or the fact that despite numerous howls of denials (by people with business interests mainly) and pretending that this stuff rarely happens in Niseko it still simmers naturally back to the surface by itself. And yes, now this behaviour and the incidents that go along with them have moved on to Hakuba as well and are kept under wraps (mostly since it seems one of the car thefts are made it onto this forum).

I feel sorry for the business owners who suffer as a result (local or foreigners) from the bad rep. The foreign influx has brought so much to J ski towns, it is a shame those guys have to put-up with that nasty side-effect.

Side-note: Mamabear, do you need as a mum (and therefore a role model) to get completly hammered in order to have a good time? Your kids are for sure going to think that it is ok to get plastered on a regular basis.

As for DTrain, I am amazed at the self control he is showing when confronting the yobs given his potential to inflict severe harm in retaliation. Sounds like a bona-fide badass, but isn't his presence the clear symptom that there is something wrong going on with this town (not that I wish Dtrain to loose his job)? Sounds like he could easily get another job in haks now anyway...

And yes, once again the minority is giving a bad name to those who behave and are respectful of others. But I have to say, whereas other countries would seem to have maybe 5% of idiots, somehow some country well represented on the Japanese slopes seems to have more like 10-15%....and my oh my, when it comes to knuckle-dragging...Those guys are on a completely different level! oii oii oii indeed....

I am all for super harsh penalties, but not blindly applied. Human beings are naturally selfish, and unless they see consequences to their actions they will keep on behaving the same way (and not just in N).

I am now ready for the wave of schllllllaking from the N crew for daring to make such politically incorrect statements. Bring it on boys!


Not really interesting enough for outrage.

If someone has lived in a place for a long time, they are surely a local. Though whatever, like Go Native says, who gives a fig?
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That is one definition and I'll grant you that.

But other peeps definition could be someone who was born and raised in a certain area/community/town/city etc. Could also be someone who contibutes to the make-up of said area/comm...... could it not? Yes, that does include monetary contributions like taxes.

Gman, when you visit the uk and go to your old digs, are you a local there too? Or just a visitor passing thru town?

 

I have been living in my town for 2 years now but there is no way I would consider myself a local. I don't even know the guy behind the jump at the lg's by name...;)!!!

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I have been to both Niseko and Hakuba this season.

 

Saw the worst behaviour in Hakuba. 3 fights in a night in Echoland. Blood apparent. I don't want to go back, it felt like Roppongi., except without the good bits of that place. wink

 

Actually didn't see anything bad really in Niseko, just people having a good time.

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The Mamabear comment was not called for. I agree with Go Native - never met her but she sounds like a fantastic mother.

 

I would think a place like Yuzawa has almost none of this nonsense yet. I have certainly never seen any trouble either in Yuzawa or Muikamachi, though there isn't likely to be here in my town as there are hardly any foreigners around.

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Yep, dissing Mamabear just don't cut it.

 

She's a darl and I'd like to meet her. Sounds like a 'better' mother would be very hard if not impossible to find. Apart from my own of course. wink

 

I suppose thats what comes from just swooping in every now and again and dropping a some 'grand' comment without knowing sod all much.

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That point is interesting.
There are more people with business interests now and more each year.
One of my friends is one of them.
Funny how his view on things has changed. Before he was quite happy to mouth off on what he didn't like. But now his 'interests' are always there and he is very defensive of things, to the point where he will deny and just try to shut up anyone who says otherwise. Better to keep the bad things quiet. He is still my friend but I would go as far as calling him a complete hypocrite.
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Kudos to people like, say, Go Native who I always feels posts in a very balanced way and never I feel comes across as being marketing-talk. Gives so much credence to what he says more than the people who come by just occasionally just to post a bit of 'stoke', which often amounts to something that is nothing more than promoting their self-interest. Sometimes it is so transparent as to be laughable, though I'm sure a few people get kidded by it.

(Been reading for a while btw, so not a complete newbie!)
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First off... kiss Thanks for the lovely comments guys - I would like to meet all of you as well. Ad I still feel guilty I never ended up catching up with GN in January.

 

SerreChe:

Granted I can see how my drunken night in Niseko could out of context appear as if I am an appalling role model for my sons.

But it is far from the reality.

 

lol I can actually count the times I have been drunk in my life on my fingers - and I am almost 41, and I am not some freak with extra fingers. wink

 

I have recently been dealing with some health concerns that may have seen me not here this coming Christmas if the results came back poorly - I sure as heck let my hair down and ripped up my vacation this past January, but I did it always holding in the back of my mind that it could possibly be the last vacation I spend with my family.

 

So I got pissed. Big deal.

I also got up every morning to cook my family breakfast, stayed up at night to wash their gear so they were not inconvenienced. Learned to snowboard at 37 despite having a problem with blood clotting, just so I could be an interactive mother and spend quality time with them. I could go on.

 

It is not about the one drunken night - that night just proved to them that I am human. It is about the other thousands of days I devote to them that set them an example. It is the fact that last weekend drugged out on painkillers I stitched the braid on my 12 yr olds blazer before my mother took me to the ER, just in case I didn't come home again. It is the 3 years EACH that I gave up any alcohol whatsoever to breastfeed them.

 

I know you have made a comment assuming that one incident reflected my entire way of life - but you were wrong. With absolutely no conceit at all I can proudly state I am a damn fine mother, and a pretty good friend to have too.

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clap I choose the MB style of parenting over the "never let my kids see anything dangerous or perceivably destructive to their character" that eventually corrupts kids even worse.

 

I don't think there's any point to living if we can't actually live. I'm not saying you need to get drunk to have fun, but come on, judging someone for one night of blasphemy is a horrible way to look at people.

 

I had a feeling that MB wasn't much of a drinker, but she's definitely something special of a mom from what I can tell.

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Yes thanks pie-eater.

Sorry I should have made that clear - don't want to worry anyone.

 

I got the best news this Wednesday. The tumors that were found in my liver are categorically not cancer! I have two benign tumors in my liver, that are a spontaneous happening, they should remain fairly stable, although I need a follow up in 6 months to ensure no growth. Despite Liver Function tests being normal I have been having a fair bit of pain from it ranging from an annoying niggle to downright debilitating. Due to my blood clotting disorder the specialist does not want to remove the tumors unless it is absolutely essential (it is a horrific surgery anyway).

 

So I am starting the Liver Cleansing Diet tomorrow to see if that makes a difference, and making an appointment to see a naturopath. I would rather find natural methods to improve my lot than take whackloads of pain killers. From what I have read some people can find a vast improvement even with totally normal liver function - so here's hoping. I am going to miss red meat and dairy though :( But it is a WAY better thing to give that up than miss out on life - which was certainly on the cards for a while there.

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+1 To what Go Native said. It really is a personal decision on how you define your daily routine and after 15 years..a family, home, businesses.... I am a local.

 

Mamabear... cheers Darlin

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Wish you the best of luck MB. I'm glad it isn't cancer!

 

Heard that word enough in my life to never have to hear it again. I find it very sad that people who take a good upkeep of their body (I'm assuming you do and fairly certain that is correct) are sometimes given these diseases that others whom engage in heavy drinking will never see until they die at 95.

 

I agree with your natural method. Keep it up! Wish you all the best progress.

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Good news MB!

 

SerreChe's dig was way out of order. At the end of the day , barely any of us really know each other, so personal digs on forums are often way off the mark and just a bit pointless IMO. Fairly well proven in this thread I think.

 

I am guessing the point was probably that the "getting pissed" culture in Australia is just way too accepted as "part of the culture" and "all a bit of fun", etc. The fact is, there are piles of functioning alcoholics in countries where we have drinking cultures, like Australia. Surely this is not a good thing, but arguably it is a better pressure relief value than the unknown alternative. Personally I think the "getting pissed" thing it is too accepted as being an ok thing in many countries, but that's just the opnion of someone who spent his younger years "getting pissed" at every opportunity.

 

The problem with young men in Aust is the fighting and violence that goes with it. I think as long as the "getting pisssed" thing is accepted, you are going to have the angry young men getting out of order. (We) Australians have too much freedom and not enough discipline for it to stop. I don't know what the answer is, but I think it is educating people to not drink too much and this would have to happen from a young age and it's going to take a long time. I think things are already (marginally) better than when I was 18.

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In Hakuba we found the best way to avoid the trouble was to avoid where the idiots are. We found some really fun lively izakaya places in town that had virtually no gaijin in them at all met some fine people. No thank you Echoland and those bars. We went to Japan to enjoy Japan. Can't we find shitty bars back home every night of the week full of, er, "gaijin"?

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The problem with young men in Aust is the fighting and violence that goes with it. I think as long as the "getting pisssed" thing is accepted, you are going to have the angry young men getting out of order.


Not sure that the violence and fighting always happens. With 61 years experience, I - like MB - can count the number of times I've been truly "pissed" on the fingers of one hand. Yes, I know there are some for whom it is a nightly occurrence, but that is not the most usual.

From where I sit, the biggest problem is the youngsters who've never bee exposed to responsible drinking in the family home, and whose expectation is that you drink to get blotto and to forget the world. When that happens, they also lose control and see everyone as an enemy. Leads to major problems no matter where it happens.

I'm not sure that it is as simple as "an Australian thing" or whether this sort of thing happens elsewhere (although I suspect it happens in England - think football hooligans - and in other places as well).
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Originally Posted By: BagOfCrisps
In Hakuba we found the best way to avoid the trouble was to avoid where the idiots are.

Sounds sensible ... until we read the rest ...
Originally Posted By: BagOfCrisps
We found some really fun lively izakaya places in town that had virtually no gaijin in them at all met some fine people. No thank you Echoland and those bars. We went to Japan to enjoy Japan. Can't we find shitty bars back home every night of the week full of, er, "gaijin"?

Trouble is NOT always gaijin! I hear what you say, though, that there are plenty of "shitty" bars at home without going to Japan to find them.
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