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Well tripler you could try and just walk away I guess. I'd suspect they'd call the police though. There was a case some time back down in the Hakuba area I think where some patrol guys got in a physical altercation with some foreigner refusing to give up his pass. Can't remember the details though.

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Well tripler you could try and just walk away I guess. I'd suspect they'd call the police though. There was a case some time back down in the Hakuba area I think where some patrol guys got in a physical altercation with some foreigner refusing to give up his pass. Can't remember the details though.


There was also a case of where a local foreigner was reported to immigration. Fortunately, for his sake, the fact that he has family here stopped it going even further.
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There was a case some time back down in the Hakuba area I think where some patrol guys got in a physical altercation with some foreigner refusing to give up his pass. Can't remember the details though.

I heard a Hakuba lodge owner hit a Ski Patrol over the head with her pole last season. No problems. Also heard a punter was held down by a bunch of Ski Patrols pointing a drill at his head the previous season. Don't know if that's true. Hopefully not, as it would screw my theory.
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I heard? Are we back in high school?

The rules at the resorts are quite clear and they are there for you to read, when you by a ticket. Opening terrain also costs money. I don't think many resorts in Japan have an excess of money. The Cortina trees though are pretty freaking sic and open.

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I heard a Hakuba lodge owner hit a Ski Patrol over the head with her pole last season. No problems.


I heard that often thugs hit and abuse anyone in authority in some places, just for the fun of it and because they wanted to. You ok with that too?

So many of your 'theories' that you have put up on here in the last few months - including the one in this thread regarding 'ownership' of a lift ticket - are incorrect, so it wouldn't surprise me if the one you are referring to here was as well.
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Originally Posted By: iiyamadude
Whats this 'I'm invincible, I can do what I want, the rules don't apply to me' that some people have going on?

But it's only in Japan that you're not allowed to ski off piste. Anywhere else in the world a rope just means beyond this point you ski at your own risk.


Actually, if you ski beyond the resort boundaries in Aus, you'll be prosecuted. There is not nearly as much avalanche danger here, but the land the resorts are on is usually public (ie state or national forest) land and the permission to use the resort is very much conditional.

And, if you act like a goose, even on piste, the ski patrol will take your ticket and escort you off the place.
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On the 'I heard' topic, I have heard that this last week some numbskull gaijin who was working in Shiga Kogen got fired when he was caught riding where he shouldn't have been, right in front of his employer.

 

Weren't you working in Shiga Kogen, tripler?

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Originally Posted By: SKI
Of course they have the right to take your pass.

Are you sure? I haven't read the small print but I've never seen a sign saying "if you ski out of bounds you can have your pass confiscated". You've paid for it, it's your property. Anyway whether they have the right to take it or not, if you turn your back on them and walk away I very much doubt they'd physically try to stop you. They're just normal guys who out of season have regular jobs, not the SAS.


tripler, I could be mistaken since its been a few years since I had a season pass in Hakuba, but when I signed up for it, I had to sign a waiver and on that paper it stated that if I broke the rules, they can and will take my pass away.
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The Cortina trees though are pretty freaking sic and open.

What do you mean by "open"? As in you're officially allowed to ski them? That would be good because last season they were confiscating tickets for it.

I'm not saying open up more terrain, just treat people like adults and let them ski wherever they want as long as it won't cause on-piste avalanches (like they do in Europe). Where on-piste avalanches are a serious risk, put up net fences which are actually difficult to get through and maybe a sign explaining why they're there. Let the ropes just be guides to where the official piste is. If people decide to duck them and die in avalanches, that's their look out; nothing for the resort owners to worry about.
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If people decide to duck them and die in avalanches, that's their look out, nothing for the resort owners to worry about.


Above just a sample.
The confidence that you have in your utter ignorance is breathtaking. It's difficult to know where to start.

Do you know what happens in this country if someone ducks and then dies in an avalanche?

Are you still working at Shiga Kogen then?
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If an avalanche does happen at a resort, the army, police, patrol, local SAR become involved. That is a heap of money. Japan is never going to take a European approach to off piste. Japan is likely heading towards the more American style of gate access.

Yes Cortina has heaps of legal trees open again.

 

I have also seen a chair lift stopped at a resort to catch people.

Even seen the chair backed up.

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Neither, take a look at mr tripler's posts and you'll see.

 

To say that if someone ducks ropes and dies and there's nothing for the resort owners to worry shows a very large dose of ignorance of how things work here. If such things happen it's a huge deal with a whole raft of people and authorities becoming involved and a resort will suffer greatly because of it.

 

And I'm just wondering the identity of the foreigner who was working at Shiga Kogen but got fired for his arrogance.

 

What exactly was your post for tripitaka?

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Actually, if you ski beyond the resort boundaries in Aus, you'll be prosecuted. There is not nearly as much avalanche danger here, but the land the resorts are on is usually public (ie state or national forest) land and the permission to use the resort is very much conditional.

And, if you act like a goose, even on piste, the ski patrol will take your ticket and escort you off the place.


Since when did skiing beyond resort boundaries in Aus become a crime? I skied over 20 years in Aus and have skied out beyond the resort boundary at all resorts (I've skied at every resort in the country) without ever having any problems at all. There were signs advising you were leaving the resort area and you do so at your own risk and it'll cost you an arm and a leg if they have to come rescue you but they didn't stop you heading out there.

Has that changed?
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On the 'I heard' topic, I have heard that this last week some numbskull gaijin who was working in Shiga Kogen got fired when he was caught riding where he shouldn't have been, right in front of his employer.

I heard he wasn't caught by anyone, just spotted from a chairlift by the son of his employer who ran to tell his daddy, despite the fact that he himself (the son) skis out of bounds. Apparently the numbskull gaijin (bloody gaijins!) is now back home chugging happoshu and trolling ski forums while contemplating his next move. But that's just what I heard, so who knows if it's true or not.
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As far as I'm concerned - you can ski/board wherever you want. Now if you injure somebody, ie cause an avalanche, injuring someone when you came back on piste, then the responsibility lies firmly on your shoulders.

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If an avalanche does happen at a resort, the army, police, patrol, local SAR become involved. That is a heap of money. Japan is never going to take a European approach to off piste

It's funny how Japan doesn't mind passed out drunks getting barbecued alive (year after year) at fire festivals and young men regularly being crushed to death at riding-a-log-down-a-steep-hill festivals, but they're up in arms when someone dies in an off piste avalanche at a ski resort. People die on the roads, people die on the slopes. What's the big deal? Both activities have inherent risks which we accept because the benefits outweigh them.

Man-up, Japan! Look to your Samuri ancestors. You think ropes blocking their path would have stopped them? No! They'd have cut them to shreds, decapitated Ski Nazis on sight and composed haiku while avalanches swept them down to certain death.
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Originally Posted By: JA
Actually, if you ski beyond the resort boundaries in Aus, you'll be prosecuted. There is not nearly as much avalanche danger here, but the land the resorts are on is usually public (ie state or national forest) land and the permission to use the resort is very much conditional.

And, if you act like a goose, even on piste, the ski patrol will take your ticket and escort you off the place.


Since when did skiing beyond resort boundaries in Aus become a crime? I skied over 20 years in Aus and have skied out beyond the resort boundary at all resorts (I've skied at every resort in the country) without ever having any problems at all. There were signs advising you were leaving the resort area and you do so at your own risk and it'll cost you an arm and a leg if they have to come rescue you but they didn't stop you heading out there.

Has that changed?


As far as I recall, it has come about recently. Unless you are going BC, then skiing out of the area is, if not actually illegal (and I would need to check that) but VERY actively discouraged to the extent of dire verbal warnings if seen.
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OK. Today there has been a few increasingly heated 'discussions' going on over a few different threads. This evening they seem to have taken an increasingly personal and offensive tone. I have just deleted a few of those.

 

To those playing this game, please stop it. It's tiresome and annoying for I'd say pretty much everyone else.

 

As I always say when things get like this - if you don't like the discussion or the fact that I'm asking for a stop to the insults, please just don't post. Not on these Forums anyway.

 

On topic discussion that is not dripping with the attitude of recent posts is of course welcome.

 

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Originally Posted By: JA

As far as I recall, it has come about recently. Unless you are going BC, then skiing out of the area is, if not actually illegal (and I would need to check that) but VERY actively discouraged to the extent of dire verbal warnings if seen.


Interesting if you're right. Do you have any links to this policy change?
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