Yuki's Passion 1 Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 you enjoyin Taz miteyak? post yer NZ pics later when ya have time Good to see you back ...and you being a tad bit heavier than Fattwins? Mate, if I had to fight you or an ox, Id choose the ox cuz the ox wouldnt be half as strong Link to post Share on other sites
hellyer 216 Posted June 24, 2009 Author Share Posted June 24, 2009 Originally Posted By: Creek Boy snowjunky, fwiw check out the tech talk over in tgr as they have tons of reviews/comparisons there TGR Wow just checked it out, thanks CB for introducing me to whole new world. Link to post Share on other sites
Yuki's Passion 1 Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 there are wicked ski reviews there Link to post Share on other sites
Hotaka Scott 0 Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 This thread is making me thinks I need to be looking for new pair of skis - it's been a couple of years. Originally Posted By: snowjunky TGR Wow just checked it out, thanks CB for introducing me to whole new world. snowjunky - the padded room is also a great place to pass the summer months Link to post Share on other sites
hellyer 216 Posted June 25, 2009 Author Share Posted June 25, 2009 Thanks Guys, yeah has got me thinking about new skis also. I currently have Stockli Stormrider xxl's which handle most things here in Oz & were OK earlier this year in Nozawa but some more width underfoot might be good when I head to Shiga Kogen next Feb. Link to post Share on other sites
hellyer 216 Posted June 25, 2009 Author Share Posted June 25, 2009 HS. Re the padded room - looks good & sorta goes with my signature also. Link to post Share on other sites
Jynxx 4 Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 I think it's all a feel thang ... When I clicked straight away at demo-ing gear, or I borrowed my mates, That impression lasts and it goes a long way. If you suffer a bit in the beginning, it's hard to get out of the slump. I've tried out gear that I ended up loving it after a week, and some were great on first day, and next day saw the limit. Some gear there's hype, and you believe in it and the gear is sooo good. it's like placebo effect. I think some skis actually limit you to just lean and not use your knees and put your weight on it. Because you can use the big side curve the skis have, you don't have to make one. Actually, I think telemarkers are the one's who still can still do it right. In my days when we saw tele guys, it was RESPECT. I can't go down moguls and slalom tele.. Generally it does make sense for the factory to make stiffer skis with lots of side curve. In the old days we used to say, "most people are not that good because they lean sideways". This has always been the case but know we have skis that suit this. Now the side curve is there, the feeling of flex is secondary (unless you are discerning skier) and stiff caters to most heavy weighting situations either you are heavy or lots of G's in curves. So, where it needs the poppy feeling, quick weight shifts with immediate response, is slalom or moguls. This is where choosing skis gets fussy. By the way, the skis that wins races are not the ones you and I wear. They are individually made. They are worn because companies pay big bucks to have them worn. Plus, it's not always the skis that wins races. It's the WAX MAN who put the wax on. Link to post Share on other sites
Jynxx 4 Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 So, there are no ONE 4 ALL skis I reckon. Mogul and slalom is so much better if you have one that suits you. The question is probably, which ones that's good for piste and off piste in all snow condition ? Should we choose a powder specific ski ? I don't think there is one made by the Japanese. Link to post Share on other sites
hellyer 216 Posted June 27, 2009 Author Share Posted June 27, 2009 Tell us about your favourite ski & why it is your favourite (anybody) Link to post Share on other sites
Jynxx 4 Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 K2 Crossfire suits my weight, familiar profile (I'm old school and haven't adapted to wide skis and IMO with my weight I don't need anything more than 70mm width even in powder) Does everything well. Familiar feeling. @ very good price. Makes me think anything else is overpriced. Actually it's one of the best skis I tried. Link to post Share on other sites
Yuki's Passion 1 Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 Originally Posted By: Jynxx So, there are no ONE 4 ALL skis I reckon. Mogul and slalom is so much better if you have one that suits you. The question is probably, which ones that's good for piste and off piste in all snow condition ? Should we choose a powder specific ski ? I don't think there is one made by the Japanese. you havent checked out any of the Vector Glide stuff yet have you? They have 4-5 skis and have everything. Check em out Link to post Share on other sites
Jynxx 4 Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 Cool, thanks for the tip... Love to have a go on them next season .. The Y 10,000 RRP price tag is pretty high . Well engineered Japanese skis are not cheap, but I believe it's worth the money if you get the feel thang... Link to post Share on other sites
cram400 0 Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 armada jj why: versatile beyond my imagination.. don't let the fatness fool you.. jjs handle just fine on groomers, and if getting from point a to b on the mountain requires you to ride thru moguls it'll do the trick (although obviously these weren't designed for hard core mogul runs).. a bit dodgy on ice, though.. armada's classification of these as an "all mountain powder ski" are spot on, IMHO. Link to post Share on other sites
stemik 14 Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 Originally Posted By: Fattwins . Too be honest really have you seen many Japanese skis winning anything? Its not that they aren't good but are they really pushing progression? This is really interesting from FT-san. Like i said I demo`d Ogasaka skis lsat season and was very impressed. Most of the ski school instructors use them. They also are more expensive than most foreign brands.... Why have Ogasaka not cracked the overseas market? I am thinking more GS than powder at the moment Link to post Share on other sites
Fattwins 0 Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 1 Rossignol 10872 2 Atomic 10569 3 Head 8056 4 Fischer 4325 5 Voelkl 3998 Full ranking Last years manufacture ranking for skis. Ogasaka is based in nagano and the pros get a pro form discount. When I think carving racing I want Atomic hands down. Their designs over the past 13 years pushed the Austrians to new levels. The Beta series is still fast. Remembering that minus 10 years ago or less, the common all round ski for powder etc was a GS or detuned GS ski ie softer. The skis at this time were really being pushed by changes by companies like Rossi with the 10xk, Atomic and the beta 10 series, Salomon and the equipe 9 and 8. If you look at the insides of those skis you will see were designs started to develop again. Most of the Japanese skis are stale versions compared to this construction. Stiff skis that ride well fast but can do nothing at slower speeds. Link to post Share on other sites
hellyer 216 Posted June 30, 2009 Author Share Posted June 30, 2009 FT who did the rankings & what is it based on? Are the numbers after the brand the worldwide sales numbers? Link to post Share on other sites
Fattwins 0 Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 The rankings are from the FIS 2008/2009 season. Also the rossignol ski I quoted was wrong sorry it was so long ago. Not the 10x but the 7xk with VAS. Along with the 7sk these skis pushed tomba to new heights. Remembering also that the first skis to go fat were Atomic, rossinol, dynamic and Volkl. Salomon brought the idea of torsional stiffness verse lateral stiffness to the market.With K2 pushing the 4 ski and Elan bringing parabolic skis to the market ski designs were forever changed. You dont need a super stiff ski to be able to cruise fast. Link to post Share on other sites
Yuki's Passion 1 Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Originally Posted By: Fattwins The rankings are from the FIS 2008/2009 season. Also the rossignol ski I quoted was wrong sorry it was so long ago. Not the 10x but the 7xk with VAS. Along with the 7sk these skis pushed tomba to new heights. Remembering also that the first skis to go fat were Atomic, rossinol, dynamic and Volkl. Salomon brought the idea of torsional stiffness verse lateral stiffness to the market.With K2 pushing the 4 ski and Elan bringing parabolic skis to the market ski designs were forever changed. You dont need a super stiff ski to be able to cruise fast. SJF, Why is there a lag in time from when Fattwins post, and when it appears in the thread? There have been other posts that come up at 10,11am, 12pm etc...but his just came up? Is the system broken? Link to post Share on other sites
Yuki's Passion 1 Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 Originally Posted By: Creek Boy Originally Posted By: Fattwins The rankings are from the FIS 2008/2009 season. Also the rossignol ski I quoted was wrong sorry it was so long ago. Not the 10x but the 7xk with VAS. Along with the 7sk these skis pushed tomba to new heights. Remembering also that the first skis to go fat were Atomic, rossinol, dynamic and Volkl. Salomon brought the idea of torsional stiffness verse lateral stiffness to the market.With K2 pushing the 4 ski and Elan bringing parabolic skis to the market ski designs were forever changed. You dont need a super stiff ski to be able to cruise fast. SJF, Why is there a lag in time from when Fattwins post, and when it appears in the thread? There have been other posts that come up at 10,11am, 12pm etc...but his just came up? Is the system broken? fattwins must be on restriction Link to post Share on other sites
SnowJapan Admin SnowJapan 178 Posted July 2, 2009 SnowJapan Admin Share Posted July 2, 2009 I had not actually noticed your post and neither apparently had my colleagues. No the system is not 'broken', though as I said here, we are having some permissions issues with some members accounts. As usual - and as I said in that thread - we ask people to contact us directly if something is going on with their account and we will look into it for them. If you don't already know the 'answer' to your own question/comments, please contact us outside of the forums rather than post on them. (Though, as this isn't concerning your own account, I'm not quite sure why you are so concerned..) Link to post Share on other sites
Yuki's Passion 1 Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 >(Though, as this isn't concerning your own account, I'm not quite sure why you are so concerned..) (Im not sure why you always put comments in brackets) Things without remedy should be without regard. Whats done is done. Link to post Share on other sites
SnowJapan Admin SnowJapan 178 Posted July 3, 2009 SnowJapan Admin Share Posted July 3, 2009 I really do not know what you mean by that comment. Anyway, if you have some problem, please contact me. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites
hellyer 216 Posted July 5, 2009 Author Share Posted July 5, 2009 Well after all that, any more chat about ski's? Link to post Share on other sites
the skiing onion 0 Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 The first skis I had in Japan were a 2nd hand set of Ogasaka. I actually really liked them and they are still in the genkan - like decorations Very heavy and look old now, but I have fond memories of them. The (Japanese) friend I got them from was very much a fan of Ogasaka, though I'm not sure if there might have been some Nagano bias going on there. Link to post Share on other sites
hellyer 216 Posted July 8, 2009 Author Share Posted July 8, 2009 Are Ogasaka made in Nagano? Link to post Share on other sites
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