muikabochi 208 Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 In the Niigata newspaper today - seems that the Naeba Prince hotel resort will from this year only be open in the summer and winter months. (Until now it has been open all year round). Basically this is because not many people are staying at other times and they need to cut costs. Full time staff will be redirected to Karuizawa and Hakone Prince hotels (and anyone wanting to retire early will be encouraged to - or something like that). Summer season (hotel): 20th July - end of August Winter season (hotel): early December until Golden Week (They'll still operate the gondola for koyo in autumn). Skijo: During peak time, 3,001,800 people visiting in a season Last season - 1,275,000 people ã ãã†ã§ã™ã€‚ Link to post Share on other sites
HelperElfMissy 42 Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 Quote: Skijo: During peak time, 3,001,8000 people visiting in a season Last season - 1,275,000 people Is there an extra zero there? That is a big drop even removing the 0. Link to post Share on other sites
muikabochi 208 Posted April 3, 2009 Author Share Posted April 3, 2009 Oops yes, my mistake sorry. I have edited it. Link to post Share on other sites
joshnii 2 Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 Not really surprising that. I went there (on the way to Gunma) in June last year, the place was soooooo quiet. Eerily so. Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 But it's the number 1 resort for the Japanese. Link to post Share on other sites
muikabochi 208 Posted April 3, 2009 Author Share Posted April 3, 2009 That 'fact' always surprises me. But as joshnii said, outside of peak season, Naeba is like a ghost town. Link to post Share on other sites
iiyamadude 6 Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 These last few years the Prince group seems to be shrinking down into a little dried fruit. Link to post Share on other sites
muikabochi 208 Posted April 3, 2009 Author Share Posted April 3, 2009 Yes they seem to be shedding hotels and skijo all over the place. Hakkai-san near me is still a Prince skijo, but it is never that busy (or never seems to be) and so I worry about that place. Link to post Share on other sites
Myoko Guy 0 Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 They've been trying to offload Suginohara for years. Some locals I spoke to are worried they might eventually just close it down. They got rid of the Prince Nojiriko about 18 months ago and they used to shuttle visitors between Sugi and the hotel. Link to post Share on other sites
stemik 14 Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Originally Posted By: muikabochi In the Niigata newspaper today - seems that the Naeba Prince hotel resort will from this year only be open in the summer and winter months. (Until now it has been open all year round). Basically this is because not many people are staying at other times and they need to cut costs. Full time staff will be redirected to Karuizawa and Hakone Prince hotels (and anyone wanting to retire early will be encouraged to - or something like that). Summer season (hotel): 20th July - end of August Winter season (hotel): early December until Golden Week (They'll still operate the gondola for koyo in autumn). Skijo: During peak time, 3,001,800 people visiting in a season Last season - 1,275,000 people ã ãã†ã§ã™ã€‚ Not sure when the 3 million came from - this must have been many years ago. Probably going back to early nineties. Link to post Share on other sites
abe 0 Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Interesting that they still get that many visitors. Apparently the peak for Nozawa was 1.3 million in 1990, dropping down to 400,000 around 2005. Link to post Share on other sites
muikabochi 208 Posted April 4, 2009 Author Share Posted April 4, 2009 Quote: Not sure when the 3 million came from - this must have been many years ago. Probably going back to early nineties. Oh yes definitely. I would guess late 80's/early 90's. Link to post Share on other sites
Jynxx 4 Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Could even be the late 70's... Naeba originally rose to fame hosting the world cup. Hans Hinterseer became famous there as I recall it. Other than skiing, people went to Naeba Prince for tennis. There was a tennis boom in Japan around that time. Link to post Share on other sites
joshnii 2 Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Some other details: The skijo will have a shortened season next year - until early April rather than early May. The golf course also won't be open this summer. Link to post Share on other sites
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wendy-cake 0 Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 Naeba seems to have been gradually cutting down on services for quite a few years now. Doesn't leave a good impression, though it's an inevitable downward spiral I suppose. Link to post Share on other sites
stemik 14 Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 do you know you can buy a apartment in Naeba for only 10,000yen? Link to post Share on other sites
big-will 7 Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Is that like the car shaken that "only costs 10000 yen" but you end up paying 130,000 yen for the whole thing? Whats the catch there stemik? Link to post Share on other sites
stemik 14 Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 you take over the debt...back taxes, back maintenance costs etc. Link to post Share on other sites
grungy-gonads 54 Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 That sounds just fab. Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 what about the skeletons in the closet Link to post Share on other sites
Jynxx 4 Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Had a look. Minimum price is 30,000 Yen for a base ILDK. Maintenance per month is like 1,0000~12000 Yen. But you have to pay the Strata account that the previous owner has been paying into and that depends on the apartment. I assume this is the back maintenance stemik is talking about. Have a friend who owned one. 2LDK. It was expensive when it came out. Looks like people want out. So Naeba itself is scaling down. I didn't know about the golf corse. Maybe this is the big factor. Link to post Share on other sites
fukdane 2 Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 I presume these are in some of the huge mansion type buildings? Even with low low prices, doesn't sound enticing at all. I'm sure it would for some people though. Link to post Share on other sites
muikabochi 208 Posted April 8, 2009 Author Share Posted April 8, 2009 There's enough of them. In Yuzawa too drive round on a Saturday evening even and there are so few lights on, how do you say garagara? Link to post Share on other sites
muikabochi 208 Posted April 8, 2009 Author Share Posted April 8, 2009 The Naeba golf course was hardly stuff of legend was it? (On the bottom slopes of the skijo right?) Link to post Share on other sites
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