RobBright 35 Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 yeah, damn semi-colons Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Quote: Nope, not at all double/triple standards. One comment was bigotted; your's, even though the original idea was discriminatory against you, was not bigotted That go me confused. Was it: "One comment was bigotted. On the other hand, your's, although....." Link to post Share on other sites
SKI 15 Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Quote: for example I dont like shaking hands I'm with you there. You look a right wally though if you refuse to. Like Stromberg in The Spy Who Loved Me. Link to post Share on other sites
gareth_oau 2 Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 when I do shake hands it turns into a testosterone-filled, knuckle crunching arm wrestle (just to demonstrate its futility) Link to post Share on other sites
Tubby Beaver 209 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 why don't you like shaking hands? Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 touching filthy you don't knwo what its been doing before you touched it hand? C'mon. There are sad stats out there that says 20 or 30 percent had just been to the toilet with out washing etc.... Link to post Share on other sites
Tubby Beaver 209 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 whatever doesn't kill you only makes you stronger!! This OCD overkill is the reason that peoples immune systems aren't what they once were!! Bring on the germs!!! Link to post Share on other sites
Go Native 70 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 That's just being a little unsually neurotic and paranoid though Thurs. Unless you are in the habit of licking your hands straight after a shake or if you have an open cut on your hand then there's little to worry about. The skin is a pretty good protector. Link to post Share on other sites
HelperElfMissy 42 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 I agree with you GN, although I am carrying antibacterial scented hand cream in the car at the moment (Japanese Cherry Blossom - mmmmm!). Reason being I am doing a lot of interpreting work in hospitals at the moment - nothing like a bit of a precaution in situations like that I have also found success using antibacterial gels etc when travelling - airports and train stations etc can be horrid for upset tummy germs. Every little bit helps. But I would still shake an outstretched hand (just make sure I washed or antibac'ed it as soon as possible afterwards). Link to post Share on other sites
Jynxx 4 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 I read this thread with a lot of interest. Hey, you guys are all right.... having said that, You can't judge a book by a cover (old saying applies here) and one has to be responsible for your emotional reaction. Quite frankly, It's none of anyone's business how one dresses up. But you can take advantages of "society accepting you" by the way you dress. Dress codes, judgement, psychological power-play apply in many situations around the world because a lot of people are convinced what you wear is what you are. Let's go back 30 years, Most Japanese will look at a Scottish kilt and consider that as a women's skirt, but at the same time they have a traditional Hakama that looks like a skirt. Most Aussies have salongs and wear it like a skirt rapping it around the waist and wouldn't have a clue that the men in Bali wear it differently from women and if you are there they'll laugh at you. About Japan. Double Standards. It's called "hon-ne and tate-mae" I wouldn't call it an art, but you are required to understand it and accepted if you are Japanese. If you don't you are considered incompetent. Australia has a lot of them, too. It is illegal to be racist but how do you enforce that? There are racist lawers, doctors, (shall I start calling it racially sensitive people so I don't rub up people's feelings?). Now, when I went to Australia in '76, it was still white Australia policy. Anywere north of Brisbane was no go when you are Japanese and you get called names. in a way you knew where you stood. I can avoid going to a racist doctor or lawer, but now I don't know who's OK, do I? Everyone is so good at wearing masks. Sorry, now I am side stepping. Link to post Share on other sites
Jynxx 4 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Hey, Mamabear. That's how the Japanese ended up as a race that has weak digestive system with no-resistance to germs. Bit of germ is a good thing. Makes you tough. Can't say that of water, though. cheers everyone Link to post Share on other sites
gareth_oau 2 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Tubby, i'm certanly not a clean-freak. i just think shaking hands is a silly (albeit harmless) exercise. the origins of the action (the demonstration that you arent carrying a knife or sword) are now lost and definitley no longer relevant Link to post Share on other sites
Tubby Beaver 209 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Originally Posted By: gareth_oau Tubby, i'm certanly not a clean-freak. i just think shaking hands is a silly (albeit harmless) exercise. the origins of the action (the demonstration that you arent carrying a knife or sword) are now lost and definitley no longer relevant No longer relevant in the same context, but the implication is still the same, "I'm a friendly person and its nice to meet you". There is no need to indulge in the show of masculinity by squeezing the life outta the offered hand, you may say its to show its futility but i reckon different. Each to their own though, but if I offered to shake your hand when I first met you and you declined I would find it very rude. Human society is littered with "silly gestures", but these gestures have developed over time and are important cultural markers that convey a wealth of meaning. Without which I fear that our lives would be less colourful and a hell of a lot more confusing and suspicious Link to post Share on other sites
gareth_oau 2 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 you would have no problems from me tubby, if you proffered me your hand, i would drop my sword and shake your hand with respect. On the other hand, i would not necessarily offer my hand first. I am a casual person, and hopefully my hello and smile would be sufficiant to suggest that I'm still an nice person, and still pleased to meet you. Link to post Share on other sites
JA2340 16 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Originally Posted By: Jynxx Most Aussies have salongs and wear it like a skirt rapping it around the waist and wouldn't have a clue that the men in Bali wear it differently from women and if you are there they'll laugh at you. jynxx, I don't know what parts of Australia you've been to, but there are a grand total of ZERO Aussies I know who wear a sarong. (note, not a salong!) - BTW I live and work in country NSW, not in the city, and not in the tropics! And, I'm 60 years old, so have met quite a few Aussies in my lifetime! MOST aussies wear, for work, a shirt and tie with a suit. Thise who work outside wear either shorts, shirt and hat OR long pants, shirt and hat. Link to post Share on other sites
Jynxx 4 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Mate, course no one wears them to work. Down at the beach in summer, I'm talking about. Like, Bronte, Northern beaches, Byron... admittedly people wear boardies these days. It's not the 80's any more.... The fabric look and dreads have gone out of style.. unless you go to Nimbin I am now in Germany but I have lived in Oz for over 20 years (lost count) Link to post Share on other sites
JA2340 16 Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 BUT, the simple fact is that MOST Aussies do NOT live at the beaches! You have lost touch, mate. MOSt Aussies do NOT wear salongs (or even sarongs!) I have lived here 3 times as long as you, I think I have a handle on what MOST Aussies wear. Link to post Share on other sites
Jynxx 4 Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 I thought most of the population in Australia live on the coast. well, that's what I was taught. I have heard your opinion countless times by people who live on the land, Nimbin is not typically Australian, but nor is Tamworth where people pretend it's Nashville and wear cowboy hats and boots like yanks... yeah, right..I've lost touch. The Olympics and Howard fu(ked up oz pretty bad I and I reckon a lot of people lost touch when there's a lot of racial tension and violence. I went searching for a place where it's easy on asians. There's no way I can live outta Sydney, or other major cosmopolitan town like Byron or Nimbin. And Most Aussies are not born and bred white Anglo-Irish, either. Who the hell are these Most Aussies... Australian values are a myth nowdays.. I bet you are talking about the crowd who wears things from Lowes, Kmart.. brands like KingG, Yakka... Link to post Share on other sites
Mantas 3 Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 Come on JA, I know you like to wear your sarong whilst driving that tractor. I love wearing mine to work (or at the beach). Mine even has a built in tool pouch. Link to post Share on other sites
Ezorisu 0 Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 Originally Posted By: Jynxx ...The Olympics and Howard fu(ked up oz pretty bad I and I reckon a lot of people lost touch when there's a lot of racial tension and violence. I went searching for a place where it's easy on asians... Just out of curiosity, Germany is more "easy on Asians" than Australia? I'm not familiar with Germany's recent track record regarding ethnic diversity. This isn't a dig on Deutscheland - I'm really just curious. Link to post Share on other sites
Tubby Beaver 209 Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 Ezo I think if you're not Turkish then Germany is an ok place to live. I have to say that I really love going to Germany, great beer, nice food and hot frauleins!! JA don't most Australians live on or near the coast? Ok maybe they don't actually live ON the beach but for a huge majority, the beach isn't a kick in the arse away.....right? Digging into the guys spelling is a bit low as well, knowing as we all do the problems that Japanese have (I'm assuming he's Japanese) pronouncing the "R". The beaches around SE Asia are littered with pasty Anglos from both the old and new countries swanning around in Sarongs and "finding themselves" So perhaps the beaches in Oz aren't teeming with wraparound skirt wearing blokes but when away from home it is a definite trait that I witnessed first hand. Gareth.....no worries mate, nice one Link to post Share on other sites
Mantas 3 Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 O.K. Most Aussies live on the costal fringe, meaning the 50-100 km green belt that hugs the coastline. I have lived practically on the beach-or not far from it- for all of my 43 years. That's Sydney, Newcastle and the small town I live in now. I have almost never seen a man wearing a sarong, even during the eighties. Maybe they did but I didn't see them. i don't think JA was having a shot at Jynxx's Japanese/English language translations. More like he was defending the attack by Jinxx 'Aussie values' He said "I went searching for a place where it's easy on asians. There's no way I can live outta Sydney, or other major cosmopolitan town like Byron or Nimbin." insinuating that if you step one foot outside of a 'cosmopolitan ' town you will be confronted by racist small town red necks. Which is absolute bollocks. Sounds like another disgruntled ex-resident that didn't fit in and now wants someone to blame. Link to post Share on other sites
Tubby Beaver 209 Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 To be fair Mantas maybe that was his experience. He said that he first went to Oz in '76, and the feelings back then were probably different to those felt now by your average Aussie to the Japanese. It was only 30 odd years previous that there was the very real threat of a Japanese invasion with darwin etc getting bombed so I can well imagine that feelings were less than friendly especially compared to today. I would always say that scotland is a pretty tolerant place BUT I have never been on the other side of the fence there and perhaps from a minority viewpoint its a little different to how I perceive it, I don't know. So he lived there for a bit and felt this way, you can't seriously turn round and say that he's talking bollocks. Link to post Share on other sites
Mantas 3 Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Good point TB. There was a lot of anti-japanese sentiment around in Oz after the war, and for good reason. I'll stand by the bollocks comment when he makes statements like. " I reckon a lot of people lost touch when there's a lot of racial tension and violence." There's not 'a lot' of racial tension and violence. In fact if you dismissed that small area of Sydney, there's practically none. I live in a small town that's predominantly Anglo and the few asian (and other denominations) families that live here are quite happy with there lot. To suggest that they suffer racism here is laughable. Why does everybody love to play the victim? Link to post Share on other sites
grungy-gonads 54 Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 People tend to find admitting some things difficult - like they are wrong, they are being an idiot, they are being agressive, etc. Link to post Share on other sites
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