Mantas 3 Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 >President Hu Jintao last year called for purification of the Internet, saying that it was poisoning the minds of China’s youth. What he really meant to say is that the government is upset that it cannot completely control the flow of information.< Type in 'Tank man' or Tiananmen square massacare into any chinese search engine and you'll come up with a blank page. Top university student have never seen a photo of Tank man before. Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 you believe that? I mean do you beleive university students in China don't know or have never heard about Tianamen. Link to post Share on other sites
soubriquet 0 Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 He gets a good rip into Britain and Japan. It's very convenient to blame others. In 1066, Normandy was part of England. Is it historically justified to invade France because they consume wine and frogs rather than beer and pies? thursday. My ex-wife is Hong Kong Chinese. She was sent to the UK for a private education, and as far as I can establish, married me for a UK passport. At the time, Hong Kong Chinese were bolting to get out because they didn't trust the mainland government. Don't try to snow me. Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 do things change? And they have bolted the other way since. I see you like the video. Link to post Share on other sites
soubriquet 0 Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 Yes, things change. The Hong Kong Chinese I know have all gone back to Hong Kong because the money is good. None of them (to my knowledge) have given up their US/Canada/UK passports. I wonder why? Link to post Share on other sites
Rag-Doll 0 Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 it's not such a stretch when the party boys only just enabled english wiki for chinese internet users and then numerous items are unavailable. Link to post Share on other sites
Mantas 3 Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 Originally Posted By: thursday. you believe that? I mean do you beleive university students in China don't know or have never heard about Tianamen. I'm sure that they have heard about it, I never said otherwise. What I'm saying is that they would almost certainly NOT have heard of it from any public or government source ie. the internet. All that stuff has been censored off the face of the earth, along with tank man himself. Link to post Share on other sites
Rag-Doll 0 Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 Ok. I just conducted a quick experiment where I asked my Chinese assistant to do a series of searches using Google.cn on Tiananmen square protests in mandarin. Some might be surprised that whilst an English language search throws up all sorts of stuff, including wikipedia articles, the mandarin search using Chinese Google has very little at all and none of the sites that mentioned the protests had .cn web adresses. Kind of undermines the angst the Chinese are suffering due to the supposed bias in the western media. Link to post Share on other sites
Mantas 3 Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Tank man. This from Antony Thomas's documentary on Frontline. The Chinese government has responded to this threat by cracking down on dissent, and on the media. The regime has managed to erase the Tank Man's image, famous throughout the world, from Chinese memory. Thomas shows the iconic picture to undergraduates at Beijing University, the nerve center of the 1989 protests; none of them recognize it. Central to the regime's struggle to control information is its filtering of the Internet, a complex undertaking that raises serious issues about the role of Western IT companies in China's censorship strategy. Companies such as Google, Yahoo and Cisco have been bending over backwards to crack into the Chinese IT market by providing Tailor made internet filtering products specified by the Chinese government. In Feburary 2006, these same companies had to appear before the U.S. congress to explain themselves on how they were not making human rights violations. The US could do jack shit about it as they weren't breaking any U.S. laws at the time. I saw Thomas's documentary a few months ago. The web site is worth a look. I had no idea the net could be sensored in such a way. Link to post Share on other sites
scouser 4 Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Bit on the telly this morning about Nagano people getting all worried about the relay going through the city soon. Some people seem to be on the border or boarding up their windows! Link to post Share on other sites
stemik 14 Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 when does it come through Nagano? Link to post Share on other sites
scouser 4 Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Is it next week? Sorry I didn't quite catch that bit Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 April 19 Bangkok April 21 Kuala Lumpur April 22 Jakarta April 24 Canberra April 26 Nagano April 27 Seoul April 28 Pyongyang April 29 Ho Chi Minh City May 2 Hong Kong <----- I'm taking the day off. Am now collecting rotten tomatoes to pelt protesters with. Link to post Share on other sites
midnightcharger2 0 Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 As in the news today, Zenkoji monks refused to host the relay at the temple due to security concerns. What a shame this whole issue has become and will continue to manifest into. Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 This looks prettier Link to post Share on other sites
2pints-mate 0 Posted April 19, 2008 Share Posted April 19, 2008 A major Buddhist temple has withdrawn from plans to host Japan's opening stage of the Olympic torch relay. Zenkoji Temple, in the city of Nagano, had been due to serve as the starting point for the parade on 26 April. An official said the monks were worried about safety but also linked the decision to concern over recent unrest in Tibet. Meanwhile the torch has arrived in Thailand in preparation for a parade through the capital city, Bangkok. The relay has been dogged by protests over Tibet, with chaotic scenes in London, Paris and San Francisco. Security row In Japan, the torch is to be paraded 18.5km (11.5 miles) through Nagano, which hosted the 1998 Winter Olympic Games. The decision by the temple to withdraw was announced after talks with city officials. "We needed to think about security, being a temple with national treasures and many visitors," a temple official told Reuters news agency. "We also had to take into account the many messages of concern that we, as a Buddhist temple, received from residents all over the country and from our followers after growing international focus on the Tibet issue." Kunihiko Shinohara, of Nagano's organising committee for the relay, said that the starting point for the parade would be changed. "We respect the temple's decision," he said. Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted April 19, 2008 Share Posted April 19, 2008 Thailand is a Buddhist country. God bless America. Link to post Share on other sites
cal 6 Posted April 19, 2008 Share Posted April 19, 2008 A little off topic perhaps, but, I really like Zenkoji. Link to post Share on other sites
Go Native 70 Posted April 19, 2008 Share Posted April 19, 2008 Originally Posted By: FRANK RYAN As in the news today, Zenkoji monks refused to host the relay at the temple due to security concerns. What a shame this whole issue has become and will continue to manifest into. Why is it a shame? I think it has been a great opportunity for the rest of the world to highlight their concerns over ongoing human rights abuses in China. As I've said earlier I think awarding the Olympics to China is about as bad as awarding them to Nazi Germany in '36. The Olympic committee should be made to realise what a terrible mistake they have made and China should be made to realise that just because they are powerful economically doesn't mean we will all just accept the abuses that occur in their country (well our governments might but we the people can still voice our concerns!). I hope everyone in Nagano gets out and does their bit to protest the atrocities that continue in China. Link to post Share on other sites
Mantas 3 Posted April 19, 2008 Share Posted April 19, 2008 Originally Posted By: Go Native Originally Posted By: FRANK RYAN As in the news today, Zenkoji monks refused to host the relay at the temple due to security concerns. What a shame this whole issue has become and will continue to manifest into. The Olympic committee should be made to realise what a terrible mistake they have made and China should be made to realise that just because they are powerful economically doesn't mean we will all just accept the abuses that occur in their country. Yes, but think what kind of a world it would be if you can't buy a $14.95 cordless battery drill. Link to post Share on other sites
Mantas 3 Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 The torch is in Canberra this morning. So far the protesters (from both sides) are behaving themselves. Security for the Australian leg of the torch relay has just about trippled since the original estimate. This is all a little different to the Sydney 2000 olympic torch relay when my wife ran as a torch bearer. I don't recall seeing police anywhere. She even passed the torch around amongst the punters so they could get their photos taken with it. Link to post Share on other sites
Tubby Beaver 209 Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 This Olympic Torch thing is getting about as boring as the US Primaries! Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 no it's not. Just wait 'til it gets to HK, Tibet, and China. lots of whoopass to come. Link to post Share on other sites
Tubby Beaver 209 Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 I don't like the Olympics at the best of times, so all this politicalisation of the torch run gets right on my mammary glands. China is hardly gonna change its stance over Tibet just because the usual hippy suspects start a rammy every time the torch goes by. I've become rather jaded with the wole thing as you may well have noticed Link to post Share on other sites
stemik 14 Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 was going to take the kids to see the torch pass through Nagano on Saturday but with all the police presence might be better giving it a miss Link to post Share on other sites
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