me jane 0 Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Mamabear are you critiscising FT or Big Dogg? I didn't get what you mean. I thought Big Dogg was saying that sometimes the signs are there when they don't need to be and made some comment on what the patrol should and shouldn't be doing. Then FT said he wss an idiot for posting that? Link to post Share on other sites
Fattwins 0 Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Debating safety when you know nothing is ridiculous. Saying that one resort is safer than another based on what facts is ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites
samurai 0 Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 FT, sometimes the grammar mistakes make it impossible to understand what you are talking about. Link to post Share on other sites
me jane 0 Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 This thread is confusing. Just realised FT was talking to Mama Bear not Big Dogg so now MB's reply makes (slightly) more sense. Still not sure what's going on though so going back to work now Link to post Share on other sites
Fattwins 0 Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Sorry but I was in a rush! I usally check a bit better these days. Link to post Share on other sites
Kraut_in_HongKong 0 Posted February 5, 2008 Author Share Posted February 5, 2008 Originally Posted By: Mamabear Simple fact is I don't know enough about snowpack safety to make good judgments. That is one of the big reasons why I am not going out of bounds at this stage of the game. Me too. I am sure there are some experts which can identify dangerous areas and can handle those. I am not one of them. To me, the simple thought of sliding down a nice hill, arriving at the bottom, with no lift in sight, and have to walk for hours in skiboots in deep deep snow, not exactly certain what directions to go, is enough to keep me in well groomed ares! Can I have more tape please! Link to post Share on other sites
slow 0 Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 I got this message from Tsugaike resort this morning. いつも栂池高原観光協会の主催するアンケート調査にご協力 をいただき、ありがとうございます。 ３日午後４時ごろ、栂池高原スキー場において「立入禁止」 規制中のコースに入ったお客様が雪崩に巻き込まれる事故が 発生し、昨日までに被災者お二人の死亡が確認されました。 栂池高原観光協会では、お二人のご冥福を心よりお祈りする とともに、事故で怪我をされた皆様の回復を心よりお祈り申 し上げます。 栂池高原スキー場パトロールでは、毎朝リフトの運行開始前 に、全ゲレンデの安全確認をするとともに、随時パトロール を行い、皆さまの安全確保に努めております。 雪崩の危険性があると判断した場合は、コース入り口をネッ トで封鎖するとともに「立入禁止」の標識板を設置し、コー スへの立入を禁止しております。 今回の事故の詳細については現在警察で調査中ですが、栂池 高原観光協会といたしましても、これを教訓に、さらなる 安全対策を進め、皆さまに安全で楽しいスノーリゾートライフ を提供できるように努めてまいります。 皆さまも「自分の身は自分で守る」という気持ちで、規制 表示やパトロールの指示などに従って安全に楽しくスキー・ スノーボードをお楽しみ頂きたく、お願い申し上げます。 Link to post Share on other sites
indosnm 0 Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 We should all get down and bow to FT.. pffft. who's the idiot? Link to post Share on other sites
Fattwins 0 Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Bow to me oh please do! Lets talk about serious topics where people know jack ...! Link to post Share on other sites
Go Native 70 Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 So any discussion on avalanches should only be discussed by those who know what they are talking about FT? Those interested in the topic and wanting to learn more should just sit back and wait for you to enlighten them? As far as I can tell you are not a moderator on this forum so have no real say on what can be talked about and by whom. You're just a guy with way too much time on his hands Mr 10,000+ post boy! Link to post Share on other sites
Kumapix 0 Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 I think what FT is trying to say is that there's no information about this incident yet (the avy mentioned in the Hakuba now report) so it's pointless for people to go on about who was irresponsible etc without knowing the facts Originally Posted By: Go Native So any discussion on avalanches should only be discussed by those who know what they are talking about FT? hmmm, think about what you just wrote..... sounds like a good idea to me! Do you want to read a long thread about something deadly like avalanches written by people who don't know what they're talking about????? but anyways, we don't know ANYTHING about this Hakuba Now! avy so what more can be written about it? Originally Posted By: Go Native Those interested in the topic and wanting to learn more should just sit back and wait for you to enlighten them? actually, FT has a wealth of knowledge about snow & the backcountry and many on these forums have learnt alot from him. Originally Posted By: Go Native As far as I can tell you are not a moderator on this forum so have no real say on what can be talked about and by whom. You're just a guy with way too much time on his hands Mr 10,000+ post boy! aaah, post-count envy rears it's ugly head again! Link to post Share on other sites
bushpig 0 Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Good one kuma Link to post Share on other sites
Kumapix 0 Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 oh great Mr. 7957 posts just showed up Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Actually Kuma, GN's comments were addressed to this: Originally Posted By: Fattwins MB that was an idiot comment period. You no crap about snowpack safety really and im sorry you shouldnt be talking about it period! Be an armchair quarterback but at least know something! Ill leave it at that untill I know more! Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 GN's points are just as valid. one more post for me Link to post Share on other sites
Kumapix 0 Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Originally Posted By: thursday. Actually Kuma, GN's comments were addressed to this: Originally Posted By: Fattwins MB that was an idiot comment period. You no crap about snowpack safety really and im sorry you shouldnt be talking about it period! Be an armchair quarterback but at least know something! Ill leave it at that untill I know more! I know. I thought I had covered that in my post... Link to post Share on other sites
samurai 0 Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Once again, keep the grammar rules up, mates. I can understand why one person thinks they're being blamed for not knowing squat about snow-dynamics and another thinking they're being blamed for not knowing the facts about the situation. It took kuma to come in and explain it all. I for one was lost the whole time. Kuma knows FT and can interject tone. I think 10,000+ posts = loosing all bility 2 keep it makin eny since. Link to post Share on other sites
Go Native 70 Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 I just thought FT was getting a little harsh with a contributor to this forum and pointing out that it's not up him to be telling others whether they should or should not be talking about something. If MB wants to contribute who is FT to tell her not to? Just because he's spent a fair portion of his life contributing to this forum doesn't mean, at least as far as I am concerned, that he can tell others what they can discuss. And Kumapix it's not about whether or not I want to read a long thread about avalanches with contributions by those who know little. It's about who is FT or any of us besides those who run and moderate this forum to tell others not to contribute. Whether he means to or not with comments like those directed at MB, FT comes across as an arrogant ass. Link to post Share on other sites
Big Dogg 0 Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 For anyone interested in the Tsugaike report that SLOW posted: Police are still investigating the incident, so there is no official report. From Tsugaike Resort: patrol always confirms that each course is safe before opening the lifts every day. (There is no mention of closed courses or dealing with areas around courses within the resort that might affect the courses set to be open.) Courses deemed to be in danger of avalanches will be closed off by a "????"(Do not enter) sign, not an avalanche warning sign (though I still maintain that some resorts unnecessarily use the latter). They go on to say that they will take preventitive measures so that this will not happen again. And that they maintain a "protect yourself" attitude, perhaps meaning that you are responsible for your own actions rather than being policed by patrol. Link to post Share on other sites
Big Dogg 0 Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 sorry about the ???? - I dont know how to make the kanjis post. the sign says "tachi-iri-kinshi" Link to post Share on other sites
gerard 6 Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Originally Posted By: Go Native I just thought FT was getting a little harsh with a contributor to this forum... Yeah, that's what I thought too. Seems pretty clear if you go back and read what MB said and what FT said. Someone forget to take their meds? Link to post Share on other sites
indosnm 0 Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 Originally Posted By: samurai It took kuma to come in and explain it all. I for one was lost the whole time. Kuma knows FT and can interject tone. I don't really think Kuma cleared anything up. The tone was pretty clear to me.. Link to post Share on other sites
dizzy 0 Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 it's been posted before and it's being posted again Link to post Share on other sites
Tesselator 0 Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 Originally Posted By: Big Dogg For anyone interested in the Tsugaike report that SLOW posted: Police are still investigating the incident, so there is no official report. From Tsugaike Resort: patrol always confirms that each course is safe before opening the lifts every day. (There is no mention of closed courses or dealing with areas around courses within the resort that might affect the courses set to be open.) Courses deemed to be in danger of avalanches will be closed off by a "????"(Do not enter) sign, not an avalanche warning sign (though I still maintain that some resorts unnecessarily use the latter). They go on to say that they will take preventitive measures so that this will not happen again. And that they maintain a "protect yourself" attitude, perhaps meaning that you are responsible for your own actions rather than being policed by patrol. Yes, according to the kanji post by Slow there was no "Avalanche Warning" sign posted. Only a "Keep Out" sign and the entrance was netted off. It was a group of 9 people. 7 Students and 2 part-time teachers. 7 people passed beyond the "keep out" sign including the two teachers and were caught in the slide. Two people didn't make it. I haven't read any detailed interviews but I guess they just spaced it off instead of deliberately disobeying the signage. I mean two were teachers right? They probably wouldn't say "Ah screw it, let's fly... Weeee...." if they were with and responsible for 5 students. Something I find rather incredible about this though. I've worked at more than a few ski resorts in snow management and etc. and avalanche conditions are usually very very obvious. If you're going to open a resort with an unsafe run you always ALWAYS want to post one or two individuals near the entrance to the dangerous area! Just posting a sign and putting up a net is entirely irresponsible IMO. I've never seen that happen before! Many people just don't look or think the netting is for other purposes - and then there are kids and stuff. If this were the USA this would be a huge negligence suit! It may yet be here too. Simply ridiculous! Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 Well, Fatts has a wealth of knowledge about these things and he can share and educate. Instead he chooses to say 'shut the fxxx up' to people who want to share and learn. Fair enough, shut the xxxx up if your comments are intended to be authorative on the subject but are based on nothing. But Fatts' approach aint the way to go. Shut the xxxx up if you are potentially putting lives at danger. Shut the xxx up if you are potentially gonna put peoples' life savings into jeoperdy.(<--spelling?) Mamabear wanted to share, she was slammed unnecessarily. Fatts, you got to work on your EQ. And spelling and grammar for that matter. Link to post Share on other sites
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