bobby12 0 Posted July 14, 2007 Share Posted July 14, 2007 Never heard of the new winger but...hes from Ajax which can only be good. The next rijkaard/gullit/van basten/cruyff all rolled into one would be nice. Torres...he looked good when I saw him. big price tag = pressure though. Will be interesting to see what happens. I think we need more than just those two guys though. Link to post Share on other sites
BagOfCrisps 24 Posted July 14, 2007 Share Posted July 14, 2007 Quote: big price tag = pressure though Yes yes. Pressure with the price. He does look good though. I read somewhere this morning that Benetiz will be buying more so he's probably back off to Spain tonight. Link to post Share on other sites
pie-eater 207 Posted July 15, 2007 Share Posted July 15, 2007 Todays news Quote: Liverpool will not sell Peter Crouch for less than £20m. (News of the World) Yes that sounds about right. Because surely no one in their right mind would pay 20 million for the new-born giraffe. Link to post Share on other sites
Tubby Beaver 209 Posted July 15, 2007 Share Posted July 15, 2007 What I don't get about agents is the fact that both them and the player expect the clubs to pay for the agent!!! The agent is employed by the player so surely he should pay the **** agent as opposed to the clubs! the mind boggles Link to post Share on other sites
bobby12 0 Posted July 16, 2007 Share Posted July 16, 2007 Maybe agents became popular because when football started to take big bucks when Sky came in, the clubs werent sharing the flavour enough with the players. But I think clearly now the players are overpaid. Its not obvious why the clubs and governing body dont get together to sort this out because surely nobody likes the agents and they are totally unnecessary. Link to post Share on other sites
jumpers for goalposts 0 Posted July 16, 2007 Share Posted July 16, 2007 I have high hopes for Huddersfield this season Agents are scum. As you said it is strange how the agent situation doesn't change. Link to post Share on other sites
scouser 4 Posted July 17, 2007 Author Share Posted July 17, 2007 Where are they at the moment jumpers? (good name!) Man Utd playing in Saitama today, you not going rach? Link to post Share on other sites
rach 1 Posted July 17, 2007 Share Posted July 17, 2007 No, and with the weather I'm glad. I'm following the game on the redcafe forums! Link to post Share on other sites
bobby12 0 Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 It was on BS-i. Quite snoozy it was. Link to post Share on other sites
2pints-mate 0 Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 Nice cockup by van der Sar for that first goal. Link to post Share on other sites
scouser 4 Posted July 18, 2007 Author Share Posted July 18, 2007 I didn't know that was on. Never mind. I wouldn't like to play a full on game 24 hours after flying in from the UK. Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 but it's not full on. They play exhibition standard, which means avoid injuries at all costs. Link to post Share on other sites
BagOfCrisps 24 Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 Don't know if I agree there thursday. I didn't watch the game but it is now only a few weeks before the start of the season. Games now are important for building up to the start - teams really need to start raring to go now. So while it probably wasn't "full on", there was meaning to the game and it will surely have been at a higher gear than "exhibition standard" Link to post Share on other sites
Tubby Beaver 209 Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 Originally Posted By: BagOfCrisps Don't know if I agree there thursday. I didn't watch the game but it is now only a few weeks before the start of the season. Games now are important for building up to the start - teams really need to start raring to go now. So while it probably wasn't "full on", there was meaning to the game and it will surely have been at a higher gear than "exhibition standard" I agree, but there is no way that Urawa could compete with Man U if they were giving a decent go at the game. The UK teams just use Japan as a money making exercise, look at Celtic last year, they played their first SPL game on the saturday, flew out and played Yokohama Marinos on the Wednesday and returned to play Hearts on the Saturday. Thats madness, but they raised a lot of dough doing it so was deemed to be worth it. They didn't put anything like their all into the game Link to post Share on other sites
pie-eater 207 Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 Lifting the lid on £40 million Tevez Carlos Tevez is the man in the eye of a transfer storm and Kia Joorabchian is the man with all the answers. Joorabchian is the Iranian born businessman whose company owns Tevez and took him to West Ham in a sensational coup that has turned into a ferocious battle for Premiership survival. Long and winding road: Joorabchian’s convoluted deal taking Tevez to West Ham has not been a stroll in the park Tevez scored the goals to keep West Ham in the top flight, but the Premier League fined the club £5.5million for administrative errors made in the initial paperwork. An independent commission decided not to dock them points, leading to the threat of legal action by four other clubs. Joorabchian has remained quiet — until now. In this exclusive interview, Joorabchian answers the crucial questions on the transfer of Tevez to Upton Park. HOW DID YOU GET TO OWN TEVEZ? I WANTED to buy a club in England but I was drawn to Brazil, where there were many commercial possibilities. It was first suggested to me by Pele’s agent. Corinthians were a club with 25million supporters, the second biggest club in Brazil, but gates were as low as 12,000. I needed a player to spark interest and bring the club to life. We looked at many videos, spoke to different scouts across South America and everyone thought we should buy Robinho. Then I saw one DVD of one game of Boca Juniors, involving Carlitos. I knew he was the player. I flew to Buenos Aires and tried many times to sign him. Each time they said No. They kept on saying No and I was going crazy! He was the player I wanted. In the end, Carlos decided that he wanted to come and my company agreed a £14million transfer fee with Boca, a South American record. He came to meet me to sign in a Shell petrol station, wearing his flip-flops! When Carlos flew to Sao Paulo, word got out that he was coming. There was a dinner for 400 Corinthians officials but 3,000 people forced their way into the room and 20,000 lined the streets outside! He started slowly but once he started scoring goals, it was phenomenal. I said to him then: "This project is yours and mine. You do your bit and I will do mine." One day he played for Argentina in Uruguay and then took a private jet back to Sao Paulo and played the next night for Corinthians! They loved him for that. Within the first season, we had brought in five or six outstanding players, we won the title and broke the Brazilian record for stadium attendances. And a little sensation at the centre of it all was Carlos Tevez. HOW DID YOU END UP AT WEST HAM? I HAD to return to England after the death of my father. I was trying to buy West Ham and so I showed him that the club had massive potential, with a huge fan base. He wanted to come to England, along with Javier Mascherano, to join me. Like me, he was excited by the potential. He hoped to be playing for a club competing for a place in the top six. When I didn’t buy the club, I had zero hard feelings but, even though he could have left in January, he was happy to stay. He has a great love for the club and the fans. THE ORIGINAL DEAL? It was a situation similar to Alex Song going to Charlton, or Tim Howard to Everton, or Glen Johnson to Portsmouth. We did everything right. The proof is in the pudding, because nobody at the Premier League asked for me to go there and give evidence. They knew that we had behaved correctly. We used top lawyers, top accountants. We made sure everything was done, We’ve been involved in many other deals and didn’t have a single problem. It wasn’t a shady transfer. It wasn’t a controversial transfer. It wasn’t a strange transfer. It has been said of the old administration at West Ham that they had not presented the correct documents to the Premier League. I don’t know, but whatever happened I’m sure could have been repaired to prevent all this controversy. What I am very upset about — and sad about — is that Carlos has been dragged into this affair, when he has nothing to do with it. WHAT HAPPENED ONCE THE PREMIER LEAGUE HAD MADE THEIR RULING AND THE CONTRACT NEEDED TO BE RENEGOTIATED IN ORDER FOR TEVEZ TO PLAY? LC: Did you agree to tear up the contract? KJ:West Ham have unilaterally terminated the agreement and I have left it in the hands of my lawyer, Graham Shear, to deal with the matter. LC: Are you comfortable with that. KJ: Yes. LC: To qualify Carlos to play, to satisfy the Premier League? KJ: I am assuming so, or else he wouldn’t have been able to play. LC: Who now owns Carlos Tevez, is he a West Ham player? KJ: He is registered to West Ham. LC: If he moves to another club, do West Ham make a profit? KJ: No. To use an analogy, take Ben Foster. If he transferred to another club, do Watford get the transfer fee? LC: Is the loan deal indefinite? KJ: No. LC: If he doesn’t stay at West Ham, could he go on loan to another club? KJ: Yes. LC: Do West Ham have a buy-out option on him? KJ: That is confidential, but we are more than happy to talk to West Ham to try to resolve the problem, if they wish. Of course, Carlos’s views are paramount. Sportsmail has since learned that the buy-out clause to own Tevez outright is £40million. THIRD PARTY TRANSFERS? They are a way of bringing outstanding players to clubs that would not be able to afford them ordinarily. So they increase the competition. Why should only Manchester United and Chelsea be able to afford the best players? What happens, in Brazil particularly, clubs cannot afford to buy a player. So they go to a business, a bank, a major supermarket, an individual, a person, a wealthy individual and say: "We want Mr X. You put up 70, 80, 100 per cent of the money, let him play here." It is a little bit like a loan deal between two clubs, except it is a loan deal between the club and a third party. You buy the player outright, you invest in the player and the clubs sign him from you; they take the registration, the rights on any resale belong to you. It does not give you any right to influence when he can play or where he should play. Unlike some of the loan deals in England, where, for instance, Ben Foster or Tim Howard cannot play against Manchester United. In all the time that Alan Curbishley has been manager, I have only spoken to him once and that was when he called to tell me he wanted Carlos to stay. We never had any recourse with any of our other transfers, not a single one. Michel Platini has said this sort of transfer is a common occurrence in parts of Europe and in South America. CAN TEVEZ STAY AT WEST HAM? West Ham's board have to decide what their intentions are. Maybe they will think they want Carlos and build around him. Or maybe they will think that, for the money, they can buy four or five great players instead. We haven’t held talks with any club, contrary to what you might have read. This morning it was Inter Milan for £25m, the other day it was Real Madrid for £30m. These stories are the work of fiction. He has a great affection for the club — and the supporters. The decision on his future is his. He has been very happy there. I have a great respect for Eggert Magnusson, I believe they will be very successful in the future. Even though I didn’t buy the club, I have zero hard feelings towards them. As for Carlos, you must remember, he is only 23. He will get better and better. Link to post Share on other sites
soubriquet 0 Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 Interesting read Link to post Share on other sites
2pints-mate 0 Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 Nice pie-eater. It must have taken you a long time to write. Link to post Share on other sites
pie-eater 207 Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 Not that long actually....!!!!! I'm really quick at typing. Link to post Share on other sites
rach 1 Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 You obviously have not seen Rooney doing normal training, thursday. Nice read pie-eater hadn't seen that. I hope they can get it sorted quick. Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 nice bit of typing Pie man. I've seen a fair few touring friendlies and they suck golf balls through garden hoses. The biggest diss was England touring with Gascoign and the dude didn't even appear until the half time break for a few juggling tricks with the ball. Looked like a court jester. What a joke. Link to post Share on other sites
BagOfCrisps 24 Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 As are all tours to the Far East in particular. Sorry. Link to post Share on other sites
brit-gob 9 Posted July 22, 2007 Share Posted July 22, 2007 Shock! Michael Owen is injured!!!! Link to post Share on other sites
grungy-gonads 54 Posted July 22, 2007 Share Posted July 22, 2007 He should be renamed Paper Man. Or maybe Glass Man. Link to post Share on other sites
2pints-mate 0 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 We beat Beckham Galaxies! We beat Beckham Galaxies? Link to post Share on other sites
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