nzlegend 1 Posted May 13, 2006 Share Posted May 13, 2006 Quote: Originally posted by nicole: I wouldn't rely on the internet alone for information. Speak to a doctor - after all, they're qualified. I am a bloke, I am qualified..... Any enlightened doctor will say random circumcision is unnecessary. One thing that has already amazed me is females with opinions on the appearance of the penis. Mothers who snip their sons to create a more asthetically pleasing penis, woman who would never date an intact man because of that exact reason etc etc. Its ****ed up. It really is. Link to post Share on other sites
ncorrenti 0 Posted May 13, 2006 Share Posted May 13, 2006 I don't know any girl who would refuse to date a guy because he's uncircumsized. Having said that, most girls I know do prefer the chopped model for reasons other than just aesthetics. Link to post Share on other sites
TJ OZ 0 Posted May 13, 2006 Share Posted May 13, 2006 And those reasons are? Link to post Share on other sites
rigor mortis 0 Posted May 13, 2006 Share Posted May 13, 2006 Not to many catholic boys out there it seems. Id say chop it, mostly just cause i dont have one of the filthy things and no-one likes a cheesey nob (no offence cheeseman). I have no trace left of where mine used to be, maybe a skilled surgeon. do it when he's young and wont remember it, i couldnt imagine doing it later in life. Sure he'll scream a bit, but no pain no gain (or loss in this situation). Link to post Share on other sites
IIIII 2 Posted May 13, 2006 Share Posted May 13, 2006 I wonder why evolution hasn't done anything to get rid of the offending piece of skin... "filthy things", "cheesey nob", etc You people never heard of things like soap, showers and baths?? Link to post Share on other sites
Ocean11 0 Posted May 13, 2006 Share Posted May 13, 2006 Quote: Originally posted by rigor mortis: Id say chop it, mostly just cause i dont have one of the filthy things and no-one likes a cheesey nob. In some part of Africa (I forget where exactly) women doctors were trying to persuade girls not to have clitoridectomy because so many of them were dying from toxic and physical shock having it done. But the doctors were having a hard time persuading the girls because they actually wanted to have it done. Asked why, they all said "Because we're girls and we don't want our clitorises to grow into penises". That's what they believed would happen. It may seem quite amazingly ignorant to some of us. But really it isn't. Because there are still lots of people like rigor mortis and others who seem to think that if the penis is not mutilated by the shaman, it will in fact turn into a dairy farm. There is no telling them that it won't. They simply don't have the mental flexibility to consider how people in other parts of the world, or even other parts of their continent, manage without the same shamanistic rituals. It's rather amazing that you still have a situation where people who are about to have a baby are asking around for opinions about which part of it to cut off first. Its eyelids perhaps? Eyelids are filthy things that trap dust, sand, and accumulations of disgusting 'sleep'. Also, cutting the eyelids off helps the child to concentrate better in school. Oogabooga. Link to post Share on other sites
Curt 1 Posted May 13, 2006 Share Posted May 13, 2006 You might have already seen it but... http://www.cirp.org/pages/parents/FAQ/ I'm very glad my parents didn't go ahead and mutilate me before I had the chance to make any decision myself. And I frankly can't see any reason why I would want to go ahead and mutilate myself. Link to post Share on other sites
rigor mortis 0 Posted May 13, 2006 Share Posted May 13, 2006 " it will in fact turn into a dairy farm." cows are worth a whole lot of money in africa - im sure they'd be over the moon if their member turned into a dairy farm! Link to post Share on other sites
Curt 1 Posted May 13, 2006 Share Posted May 13, 2006 Interesting subject, but it seems like a no brainer to me, me jane. I just don't think parents have the right to do this to a baby when it is totally not ncessary and not natural. Just found this too: Do women prefer circumcised partners? Women in circumcising countries sometimes state a preference for circumcised partners, because this is what they are accustomed to. This effect of cultural conditioning should not legitimise the practice. Many women also report smoother intercourse and greater sexual satisfaction with intact partners compared to circumcised partners. Most women are more interested in whether their partner is loving and kind. Does circumcision affect a man’s sexual function and pleasure? Circumcision removes complex tissue containing thousands of highly specialised fine touch receptors and nerve fibres. The loss of sexual sensitivity is proportional to the amount of foreskin removed; a tight circumcision that prevents movement of the foreskin during intercourse and other sexual activity is particularly damaging. Men circumcised as infants may be unaware of this, but many men circumcised as adults report a definite loss of feeling and versatility. Who has the right to decide? During the decision making process, the most important point for parents to remember is that, just as it is a woman’s right to choose in matters concerning her own body, so it is a man’s right to choose in matters concerning his body, including his penis. Circumcision Information Australia (CIA) has received many complaints from adult men who are unhappy about having been circumcised as infants or children. Circumcision is cosmetic surgery, and the appearance of the penis is a matter of personal preference. Only the owner of the penis has the right to decide if he would like its appearance, structure and function altered by circumcision or any other needless procedure. --- I'd also be interested to know why your friends "prefer chopped models" ( ) nicole? Link to post Share on other sites
TJ OZ 0 Posted May 13, 2006 Share Posted May 13, 2006 O 11 your analogy is wrong. There is no comparison between removing a piece of skin that in this day and age is not required and removing the clitoris. There are reasons for and against and it is not a major life changing event. The baby will not be traumatised for the rest of its life. By the way is that cheese on your beard Link to post Share on other sites
Curt 1 Posted May 13, 2006 Share Posted May 13, 2006 Quote: piece of skin that in this day and age is not required Confused. Was it "required" back then? Quote: There are reasons for and against and it is not a major life changing event If there are reasons for and against, and it is not essential, should not the person who it is being done to have the chance to make that choice themselves. There's just no justifying it. Link to post Share on other sites
TJ OZ 0 Posted May 13, 2006 Share Posted May 13, 2006 I have also seen reports that say there is no difference in senstivity. So who to believe? Let the father make the decision. I am sure he is more aware of the issues. Link to post Share on other sites
Curt 1 Posted May 13, 2006 Share Posted May 13, 2006 Quote: Let the father make the decision. I am sure he is more aware of the issues. Let the person it is being done to make the decision. When he is aware of the issues. It would be interesting to know how many adult mails decide to go ahead with the surgery when they don't actually need to. Link to post Share on other sites
Ocean11 0 Posted May 13, 2006 Share Posted May 13, 2006 > in this day and age > So who to believe? > I have also seen reports Haha! Bullshit rhetoric alert! TJ OZ, I bet you never bought a snowboard that you would admit was actually a piece of crap. I know the feeling myself. > Let the father make the decision. I am sure he is more aware of the issues. Right. Somebody who never owned a snowboard that wasn't just awesome. Link to post Share on other sites
rigor mortis 0 Posted May 13, 2006 Share Posted May 13, 2006 Wee Tarzan Junior might want to be just like daddy Tarzan. Could that be a problem?? Link to post Share on other sites
TJ OZ 0 Posted May 13, 2006 Share Posted May 13, 2006 It certainly was required for protection when the human species was walking around naked. I am not sure what protection it needs now except for the odd vacuum cleaner that may be fell upon. If the difference of having one and not having one is going to cause pychological problems then I think that there would be deeper issues involved. Personal preference I say. Definatly more medical problems concerning having one in early teens in my observations with friends kids. Link to post Share on other sites
Curt 1 Posted May 13, 2006 Share Posted May 13, 2006 Quote: Wee Tarzan Junior might want to be just like daddy Tarzan. Could that be a problem?? I don't usually see my dads penis. I'm not interested in it. I don't honestly know what it looks like. If Wee Tarzan Junior for some reason takes a lot of looks at his dads penis (hmmmm, why?) and really (for some really bizarre reason) decides he wants to cut his own penis to look like his dad ( ), then surely he can make that decision. I must be missing something.... Link to post Share on other sites
Curt 1 Posted May 13, 2006 Share Posted May 13, 2006 Quote: Personal preference I say. Whose preference? The adult or the unknowing child? Link to post Share on other sites
TJ OZ 0 Posted May 13, 2006 Share Posted May 13, 2006 Once again O11 your analogy doesn't make sense. I have bought 2 snowboards in my life and rode maybe 5. I can say that I can't tell a big difference between the lot. Some ride a bit smoother another might have a bit more flex. I am a freerider and I don't compete so I can adjust my style to slight techincal differences. I don't think it is smegma I smell on your breath, I think it is shiit. Link to post Share on other sites
Ocean11 0 Posted May 13, 2006 Share Posted May 13, 2006 > I am not sure what protection it needs now That would suggest that you haven't given it even a moment's realistic thought, or bothered to look at the info that I recommended or that Curt linked to. Your thinking is bizarre anyway. Evolution has provided us with various body parts for more or less good reason, and wondering and 'reasoning' about which of them to cut off is an abuse of the mental faculty that evolution has provided us with. Defend eyelids - go on, try it. "In this day and age, eyelids are ..." Link to post Share on other sites
bushpig 0 Posted May 13, 2006 Share Posted May 13, 2006 comon people let's at least keep this as a "civil" discussion eh! Just went off and taught a class and was amazed to come back and see all the input on this thread. And on a Saturday! Link to post Share on other sites
oblivion 5 Posted May 13, 2006 Share Posted May 13, 2006 It's very interesting thread for sure. I'm very much against parents deciding to do it unless it is required for some medical reason. Link to post Share on other sites
TJ OZ 0 Posted May 13, 2006 Share Posted May 13, 2006 Try and not blink for the day or even 5 min and I think you may realise what eyelids are for. Hey BP he started it. Remember O11 tries to get things fired up here. I like it. Its nothing personal. As for Curt, If I ever get my hands on him I'm going to remove his foreskin with some rusty scissors and feed it to the penguins Link to post Share on other sites
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